THOROUGHBRED CRIOLLOS QUARTER HORSE ? Wich is the best horse for polo?

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Permalink Reply by Juan Manuel Medina on November 26, 2008 at 11:01am

Both are quite good from my point of view...but I have to tell the Criollo is just a machine, always healthy and calm.. most of them really handy and good size, and they also have good body and muscles... I live in Patagonia Argentina, and you can see criollos any where, and I did not see in my all life a criollo with big leg or problems in the tendon.
They are a lot of people that plays polo with criollos at the estancias....
Quarter horse in the first 30 meters are like a "ferrari", they are also fasters than criollos, good muscles too but they are little bit more delicated.
I just did buy a quarte horse with criollo, ( mother: quater horse- father: criollo), I can send the picture if you like.
Juan

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Permalink Reply by REY philippe on November 26, 2008 at 4:26pm

thanks Juan
of couse we want to see the photo is it like an american polo horse?
beside my farm they breed father quarter horse (reinning line) and mother polo mare from argentina
may be it's that an american polo pony?
Philippe

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Permalink Reply by Michèle BERTMARK on November 26, 2008 at 5:55pm

From my point of view, I think the cross between Querter Horse and Thoroughbred cold be really great. It would give speed long distance to the QH and add some good maners to the "pur sang" I like the idea. I have one myself that is really super good. Of course you have to break the horse early and give the right education, that's also a key, no????

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Permalink Reply by Tiare Paty on November 26, 2008 at 9:01pm

Almost all of the horses played here in Hawaii are QH TB crosses. Both myself and my boyfriend really like the TB's but the polo played here is mostly low goal so sometimes the pure TB's can be a bit too hot for it The QH tends to be quieter in mind so crossing with the TB helps in then regard and gives them better stronger legs-less likely to have tendon problems. Same thing with the Criollo-quiet mind and very strong. We bought a Criollo mare in Argentina a couple years ago and had her bred before she came to Hawaii. So now we have her and her filly to bring more Criollo blood to Hawaii.

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Permalink Reply by Juan Manuel Medina on November 26, 2008 at 9:57pm

here you find some photos of my new ponie, she was out for 3 months after the tamer did work her... now I did bring her again to start working her... she is almost 4 years old.
she does not look really good now in the photos.. I will send you soon some more...
As I said she has half of Quater Horse and half of Criollo.

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Permalink Reply by REY philippe on November 27, 2008 at 3:12am

Nice and strong model!
is it the father QH?
philippe

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Permalink Reply by Luis Lagomarsino (polobreeder) on November 26, 2008 at 9:38pm

I have a mix of all, and I can tell you my experience. I have two TB stallions, one is tall and thin, great body like Novillo´s horses, the other is more like the Pieres ones, little bit like a QH, I have some TB, some criollas and some QH mares as a mothers in my breed, I do a mix searching for the right horse to play polo. The TB is for a good rider, they can go to a medium-high polo, but not the low, too much power, too much money in vets. But the mix between a TB-criolla or a TB-QH is very good, I really like that style of horses, they can be for everyone, sometimes they can go also for a high polo, that is the polo argentino breed. The QH and the criollos are too similar, they are calm, easy, good mouth, the people think that the criollo has more stamina, but is not true, they have heard and they will not quit in a race, but they will loose in the last, that´s what the mix with the TB change, this type of horses have the stamina and the speed to keep going and winning. Some time the QH is also like this and need the speed in the last or more stamina to finish the chukka. Hope to be clear and help you. I think your breed (QH & polo argentino) is a great opcion and you´ll have horses for all the polo level´s good choice and good luck.

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Permalink Reply by Juan Manuel Medina on November 26, 2008 at 11:30pm

Luis, is really interesting what you do and I totally agree in all your moves....
Thanks
Juan

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Permalink Reply by REY philippe on November 27, 2008 at 3:10am

Thanks a lot Luis it's very interesting
then it's better QH stallion/polomares argentino or the contrary?
Concerning the QH stallion it's better a reining stallion i think.
Philippe

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Permalink Reply by Luis Lagomarsino (polobreeder) on November 27, 2008 at 9:23pm

I think is all about the training, and how you take care of the "potrancas". With the embryos you can get exactly the same mare who is playing the open, but she´s not the same. If the genetic is true we can all the Maradona´s brothers should be playing like him. With the mare and the stallion try to get a perfect polo body conformation, and with a nice temperament, take perfect care on the babes all their life, feed them in amazing way, give to the right people to brake them and play them, remember to give time to rest every year, there is when they learn more and become adults. If you do all of this then you´ll have horses for the open, make sure that you´ll always sell good horses and make your name big, so in some years the people will think on you when they want to buy horses. If you have any bad horse, throw it away or keep it but never sale. And don´t lie, if the horse have a problem in the leg or when you stop he do something or anything tell that to the people who´s try to buy from you. Again I hope to help, this is my point of view and I´m not the owner of the truth. See you Phill.

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Permalink Reply by Luis Lagomarsino (polobreeder) on November 24, 2009 at 12:08am

Dear Phillipe, as I said, is always better to have mares QH not stallion, and the stallion should be TB or Polo Argentine with some TB in the bloodline. I think you showed me a photo of your two years old new stallion, that is a good type of horse.
By the way, are you in Argentina for the open?
See you.

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Permalink Reply by Diego Maria LLaneza on February 3, 2009 at 8:42pm

Good morning everyone ... it's a beautiful day in Buenos Aires. Completely cloudy after a rainy night that might help us go through one of the worst droughts of all times..

Tacos y Bochas has published some stallion statistics on the 2008 Argentine Open and I thought some of you might be interested in looking into them. They belong in a chat we had a few weeks ago about breeds and bloods... and I will try to translate them the best I can …

A total of 447 horses played, 223 of them being Polo Argentino (50%) – Important notice: Since data is primarily released by AACCP, their breed is the only one being tracked here. We can assume the other 50% is composed by thoroughbreds and mixed bloods (mestizos, criollos with different % of TB blood). Some could be Quarters ... but my guess is none are.

The following are rankings as of "what stallion has more sons playing the open .." and so on

- Stallion (as father) ranking
"El Sol" (Top Secret y Gaucha Acha) with 31 sons and daughters
"Rainbow Corner" (Rainbow Quest y Kingscote) with 22
"River Slaney" (Irish River y Chancy Prospect) with 22
"Polo Nevadito" (Polo Puripayo y Violeta) with 18

- Stallion (as grandfather on father’s side)
"Southern Halo" - 33
"Pucará" - 31

- Stallion (as grandfather on mother’s side)
"Top Secret" - 14 productos
"Pucará" - 8

Unfortunately, this data is fully related to whom the horses are been played by. Players belong in a relatively closed loop, either by family or business, breeding and trading horses largely among themselves. This means that if two brothers own a stallion and both get to play the Open, this stallion’s chances to rank exceed those of a single player / breeder. This is often the case in large families as the Merlos, Heguy, Novillo Astrada and Pieres. So this data, though related to the chat we had before, can not prove any theories by itself.

So, in this sense, we find that …

- All 22 sons of River Slaney were played by six Novillo Astrada that entered the competition (both in La Aguada and El Paraiso teams);

- All 18 sons of Polo Nevadito were played by three Heguy brothers in Indios Chapaleufu;

- About 16 of Rainbow Corner sons still belong to his breeder (Gonzalo Pieres) and were played by his two sons or by another player within his team Ellerstina. Gonzalo has not played professionally for many years and has dedicated more time to his breeding business, today being arguably the most sophisticated of all breeders, and can show that some of his horses have been sold and are playing the Open outside his organization.

- About 10 sons of El Sol (also featured as property of Gonzalo Pieres) played within Ellerstina, while the rest played in other teams. This sire might be a good example of how far (or close) within the circle a blood might spread.

Unregistered horses are not included in the report, as I mentioned before, so we would need to look into them individually to see where they come from. Several stallions’ and broodmares’ names are well known to us and many are not, so the task is a difficult one and only to be taken by an expert breeder / spectator with more than three or four horse generations in his resume (either as a breeder or as a die hard fan), which I am not.

I have not put much analysis here.. but Southern Halo (with 33 grandchildren) ans Pucara (with 31) are the two major bloodlines in the report ... this would also tie the discussion (S Halo is a thoroughbred and Pucara is polo argentino) but the trend is clear towards PA, it still being an "open breed" with hundreds of TB horses entering their files yearly.

I hope some of you find this interesting and share your thoughts. Be well!

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